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  1. § Symbian said on :
    Gracefully degrading is important
  2. § cm said on :
    I WANT TO READ IT BUT ALL THAT WHITE TEXT ON BLACK MAKES my eye go crazy and I cnnot seee my comments
  3. § Timbot said on :
    Absolutely agree.
    It is amazing how many old chestnuts are still floating around regarding development in Flash, and how they spill over onto the other newer runtimes as well. They simply don't apply any more.
    From the developer's perspective, Flash has taken me places javascript never could have. I went to it primarily because of frustration with cross-browser problems (I didn't like writing the same code three times every time). Yes, there was an amount of pain at first, both from working in an unfamilliar environment, and also from spending some cash on the IDE. But when I did 'get it', Flash development took me to creative heights I could not have achieved elsewhere. I had to learn timelines...but just so happens timelines are used in 3D software, animation, non-linear editing. As the platform advanced, I had to learn OOP. Hey guess what, major programming languages like Java, C++ are based on OOP. What I'm saying is that as a creative professional, Flash has kept me learning, kept me exploring new concepts and software...and freed up a lot of my time that would have otherwise been spent trying to get my work compliant with unstable non-standardized browsers, which is a fact of life for the AJAX developer. Life is better!
  4. § Richard Leggett® Email said on :
    Quick note to give my apologies for the legibility. I've been playing with the CSS and it needs tweaking. I've darkened the text, made the column width more narrow and fixed the comment form to help with the immediate issues. I'll work on the overall styles to make this text more readable asap.
  5. § Mike Brunt said on :
    This is a good article in my opinion thanks for taking the time to put it out. I worked as a ColdFusion consultant at Allaire when there was a small team trying to figure out what could be done by using ColdFusion and Flash in combination. Flash Remoting being an early used method. I have also labored through the DHTML era and turned cartwheels trying to get nested menus and other constructs to work reliably in different browsers. Nothing has really changed in my opinion and it is time and has been for a long time to stop trying to make HTML do things it was never created to do.
  6. § navot said on :
    I would like to draw your attention to another alternative which is a paradigm shift for AJAX front ends. One should be aware that I am not, and do not pretend to be objective, never the less I believe that one can judge for himself. Visual WebGui is an open source rapid application development framework for graphic user interfaces of IT web applications. VWG replaces the obsolete paradigms of ASP.NET in both design-time and run-time which were designed for developing sites, with WinForms methodologies, which were designed for developing applications. Thus enabling designer that was designed for application interfaces (WinForms designer) instead of a word documents (ASP.NET designer). This provides the developer with an extremely efficient way to design interfaces using drag and drop instead of hand coding HTML. Visual WebGui is an AJAX frame work that doesn’t expose logic, data or open services on client requests and therefore is not as vulnerable as common AJAX solution.. VWG presentation layer is de-coupled and instead of standard browser it can, and will run Silverlight.
    NO!!! Visual Webgui is not!!
    Not a component library – It is a complete revised approach to developing web applications.

    not a JavaScript generator – It runs on the server controlling the browser using a small static JavaScript kernel.

    Not for developing sites – It was designed to provide for developing IT web applications GUIs.

    Not a closed / locked-in framework – It has many extensibility features, which allow integration of legacy resources (ASP.NET or DHTML resources) and the development of custom controls and behaviors.
    Worth a look at www.visualwebgui.com,
  7. § Kevin Hoyt said on :
    Excellent food for thought, Richard!

    When I read the post last night, I started writing a general comment to round out your discussion. What evolved was a full blog post of my own...

    http://blog.kevinhoyt.org/2007/11/20/on-ajax-walls-and-writing/
  8. § Richard Leggett® Email said on :
    Hi Kevin, First of all I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post. It certainly balances things out a bit. Of course I'm still skeptical with the mention of things like Canvas3D and SVG as emerging standards to enable the things we are building right now some time in the future, but hopefully we will get there and we don't end up with a whole load of VRMLs, I guess a lot of this depends on Microsoft. I also agree whole-heartedly that it's the user at the center of this, and we should always make full use of our collective/shared toolbox to give them the best experience. This post might have sounded a little one-sided in retrospect, but I like to do this sometimes just to persue a particular thought path. Thanks again.
  9. § Rick said on :
    Nice one Rich - hitting the nail on the head as usual. I came across this response (http://tinyurl.com/2wmrms) to Android though and it really got me thinking; particularly the points concerning installable applications and pixel graphics.
  10. § Anup Shah said on :
    Hi. Really interesting post.

    A specific comment here about when what said of Flash, that "Flash 1.0 content still runs as it did 10 years later, I found some Flash 3 content ... it doesn’t know that there have been countless browser releases since its conception… it doesn’t need to, that’s a big difference."

    Web development is (meant to be!) like that too -- html 3 sites still run, for example. For sure there are MANY sites that are IE only and won't work properly when the next versions come out, because the way they code specifically towards browsers rather than standards, etc, but html/css/javascript have always been designed to be backward compatible too (even JavaScript 2, according to Brendan Eich, who invented it).

    Reality is of course not perfect, but tons of people have written about that so I won't here.
  11. § Kontra said on :
    In

    Runtime wars (1): Does Apple have an answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX?
    http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/runtime-wars/

    and

    Runtime wars (2): Apple’s answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX
    http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/apple-runtime-answer-2/

    I explored Apple's recent moves with WebKit 3.0 to accelerate the formation of a x-platform alternative to non-DHTML runtimes. It's not unlikely that Silverlight will remain predominantly Windows-only and JavaFX mobile-centric. Odds are better for Flash/Flex, but it will be eclipsed by OS X on Macs and iPhone and other post-PC devices from Apple to come. I don't see much that's a lock-in yet.
  12. § Foster said on :
    This post might have sounded a little one-sided in retrospect, but I like to do this sometimes just to persue a particular thought path. Thanks again.
  13. § Biley said on :
    I'll work on the overall styles to make this text more readable asap.
  14. § Tomelloso said on :
    Interesting post. Ajax is my alternative and for the moment work fine with my proyects. Also agree with need of make this more legible please. Thanks.
  15. § Steve Elliott Email said on :
    Great article and some fantastic input from Kevin. I can't see the end of Ajax, it is fantastic for minimising complicated processes and I hope it stick around for a while to come.
  16. § John Walters Email said on :
    Hi,
    interesting read. The end of Ajax is not with us just yet. It still has a purpose and until something comes out that is consistantly better it will still have a use.
    John
  17. § Anemo Email said on :
    last words - the question of the year!
  18. § viewsat fix said on :
    I have been trying to Gain access to this website for a while. I was using Chrome then when I tried Safari, it worked just great? Just wanted to bring this to your attention. This is really a great website

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